Comments on: Accreditation update

By: TB 2 IBO

TB 2 IBO — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:04:18 +0000

Regarding religion and politics.

It is quite the same with us. Leaders are very Christian, as am I. However, they explicitly separate the Sunday morning service. Stating clearly it is optional. They also offer several other religions a place to worship as well.

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:22:36 +0000

Wiki fixed, thanks. Feel free to register and fix things yourself

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:19:11 +0000

I’ve had N21 CEP (SOT) from Australia, UK, Sweden, and the US and the training and speakers are the same. N21 has always had a policy of no religion/politics from stage and it’s part of the speakers guidelines. Many leaders (incl. the Dornans) are strong christians, and in US and Australia at least there is the “optional worship services”, but I’ve sat outside waiting for the main session to begin and seen Diamonds and above also arriving and awaiting – ie, they weren’t at the optional worship service.

Other US groups *have* preached these kind of things in international markets. It’s one of the reasons they’ve crashed and burned badly in a number of countries in the past, and to a certain extent taken Amway with them. I know it was a problem with some other groups in Australia.

By: Amthrax

Amthrax — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:53:10 +0000

Thank you. I have updated the post on my site with a quote from the link.

It’s possible that because you are in N21 and in an international group, that the message of right-wing politics and evangelical/fundamental Christianity has been toned down or non-existent.

Here in the United States, however, I know for a fact that INA was not like N21. Other critics have pointed out that WWDB, BWW, and InterNet were also similar to INA regarding the heavy political and religious undertones.

If accreditation really does what it is intended to do with respect to this issue, then there’ll be one less thing for me to debate with you

By: Amthrax

Amthrax — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:43:19 +0000

IBOFB – Your link in your wiki has some extra characters at the end of it.

Feel free to delete this comment after you’re done.

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:03:52 +0000

I’ve written an article on AmwayWiki for you – Professional Development Accreditation Program

To see what the accreditation rules are re religion and political ideology, check out the PDF file at the bottom of the article “IBO Communications Platform”.

Re your second comment, there’s nothing in the PDAP Comm. platform that hasn’t pretty much already been my experience with N21 practices for a decade. I’m sure you’ll be able to find cases of it being violated, but the IBO Comms platform guidelines have pretty much been our modus operandi.

By: Amthrax

Amthrax — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:40:40 +0000

I just read over on Tex’s Quixtar/Amway blog about a Yager letter being sent downline about the Right to Differ:

http://tinyurl.com/5zhfvr

For those IBOs who continue to attend their System events, are the Diamond uplines practicing this?

By: Amthrax

Amthrax — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:10:19 +0000

Thank you for informing us of INA’s accreditation. I hope this leads to a better INA and not a continuation of the INA I used to know. I asked on my web site what the Rules of Conduct say about promoting a particular religion or political ideology. Since I don’t have the Rules anymore, anyone here care to enlighten me?