I was having a discussion about Amway products and to my surprise the other party cited “JoeCool’s website” as evidence that Amway’s products were overpriced and not competitive – in other words, a scam. JoeCool is of course a well known anti-Amway zealot. So I thought I’d have a look at JoeCool’s price comparisons, and he was his usual dishonest self. This is JoeCool’s comparisons -
The first thing I noticed was that only two of the eight products he did “price comparisons” on were even Amway products! The rest were made by 3rd party companies, not Amway. Third party products (XS is an exception) are primarily for the benefit of Amway members, not for selling at retail price. And what prices does he compare it with? Costco members price. Costco membership is $50/yr. Amway membership? $50/yr.
Wouldn’t an honest comparison thus be Costco members price vs Amway members price?
And let’s look what else he does -
Smart menu Pasta 12 – 16 oz. Bags = $24.99
Golden Grain Pasta 12 16oz. Boxes = $8.99 (Costco)
I looked up the Amway Global website. The Smart menu Organic Pasta appears to have gone up in price – it’s $28.20 at full price, $26.04 at members price. But wait … it doesn’t just say “Pasta” … it says “Organic Pasta“. Organic pasta normally costs more doesn’t it? Indeed it does -
or here’s another from Costco-
The Amway sourced Organic Pasta is CHEAPER!
The progresso soup prices I was unable to find on Costco, but I did discover that there’s a wide, wide variety of types of progresso soup, and they differ in quality and price. Which ones was JoeCool checking?
The Amway sourced Progresso Traditional Soup is CHEAPER!
Maybe CostCo had a batch at a good price. It happens. Nevertheless it’s clear that Amway’s pricing is clearly at worst in line with competitors.
The tuna I couldn’t find JoeCool’s prices on either the Amway site or the Costco site. Amway does have a Smart Menu Albacore Tuna product, but as one would expect for Albacore Solid White Tuna, it’s quite expensive at $1.84/6oz can. Generic chunk tuna is usually a lot cheaper.
Indeed, I couldn’t find ANY solid white tuna product cheaper than Amway was selling it. I’m sure someone probably is, somewhere. But I couldn’t find it.
The Amway sourced Albacore Solid White Tuna is CHEAPER!
Shall we keep going?
Meadowbrook bath tissue 48 rolls $29.99
Kirkland bath tissue 36 rolls $11.99 (Costco)
It took me a while to find, but what JoeCool seems to have picked from the Amway catalogue was apparently the Meadowbrook Ultra Premium bathroom tissue. It’s the only48 roll pack of Meadowbrook Amway sells, and it’s $35.52, not $29.99. I’m starting to question whether JoeCool is actually using an old catalogue and old prices … did he really just happen to have this catalogue fall out on his desk? One wonders …
Anyway, the Meadowbrook product is clearly some kind of “gold standard” of toilet paper and the Kirkland variety JoeCool compares with is not. Hang on …. did you just click on that link? The one to Kirkland Signature Bath Tissue 36 rolls on Costco.com? The one JoeCool claims is $11.99 … but CostCo says is $22.61???
It seems it’s not just the Amway prices JoeCool can’t get right. Is he just making some of these numbers up? Let’s do a proper comparison -
See joe, you could have used the real pricing – CostCo wins! If they’re the same quality. I’ll let other’s bottoms decide. In the meantime, let’s see what other companies sell the name-brand Kleenex bath tissue for.
Staples.com – Kleenex Cottonelle Bath Tissue 20 rolls – 2ply 505 sheet $1.36/roll
ByOnlineNow – Kleenex Cottonelle Bath Tissue 20 rolls – 2ply 505 sheet $1.16/roll
AmwayGlobal.com – Kleenex Cottonelle Bath Tissue 20 rolls – 2ply 505 sheet $1.29/roll
So the Amway product is 5.1% cheaper per roll than Staples, and 11% more expensive per roll than ByOnelineNow. It’s interesting to note though, that with ByOnlineNow you need to order at least 2 cartons to get that price. So … Amway IBOs … feel free to buy your Kleenex toilet paper at ByOnlineNow until you hit the 12% volume discount bracket … then you’d be better off buying from Amway!
So what’s left? Vitamins, washing powder, and energy drinks. I’m going to leave Vitamins until last, because what JoeCool does there is just so blatantly dishonest as to be simply jaw-dropping. How about washing powder? Unfortunately the Kirkland product he mentions is apparently not available online so I’ve been unable to find any information about it, such as ingredients, usage rates etc. SA8 is one product that does tend be more expensive than most competitors, but that’s because it’s the best and is better for you. I also recommend this great video from the Amway 50th expo with one of Amway’s SA8 scientists.
So, to drinks ….
XS Sports drinks 24 16 oz bottles = $30.00
Gatorade 24 20oz bottles = $15.95 (at Costco)
There is no XS sports drink. JoeCool is probably his usual out-of-date self. There’s a Nutrilite Sports Drink – it’s $30 at retail, maybe that’s what he meant? But we’re comparing Amway members price with CostCo members prices -
The Gatorade from CostCo is clearly cheaper. But are they the same? The Nutrilite product has antioxidants and B-vitamins, with no artificial colours/flavours/preservatives. Gatorade has no B-vitamins or antioxidants and artificial colouring. Which is better? Are they even similar enough to compare? You decide. Next …
XS energy drinks 8.4 oz (case of 12) = $23.99
Red Bull 8 oz (case of 24) $31.30 (at Costco)
XS Energy drinks are $20.40 for 12 8.4 oz cans at members price, and the Costco website says their Red Bull goes for $38.19 for 24 8.4oz cans at members price.
So the Red Bull is slightly cheaper. But again – are they the same product? Red Bull has 110 calories, with 27 grams of sugar. XS is sugar free, packed with vitamins and adaptogenic herbs. Wouldn’t Red Bull Sugar Free be the more apt comparison? It still doesn’t have anywhere near the nutrient content of XS, but at least they’re both sugar free.
If you like Red Bull, and don’t care about the nutritional content, CostCo is cheaper. If on the other hand you think Red Bull tastes awful, like I do, then you might want consider one of the 14 different flavours of XS Energy Drink.
Which brings us to the vitamins …..
Double X (31 day supply) $78.05
Multi Vitamins (3 month supply) $24.80 (At Costco)
I’m not sure which multi-vitamins JoeCool priced at Costco. They have a bewildering array of different ones. I’m guessing it might be something like Centrum Performance, which is $19.99 for 150 tablets, so that would be close to $24.80 for 3 months. Now, the Amway Global member’s price for a 31 day supply of Double X is $44.84. The non-members price is $68.99, so even ignoring the fact we’re doing a fair Costco members price<->Amway members price comparison, JoeCool is out by nearly ten bucks.
But that’s not what’s shocking about JoeCool’s clear dishonesty here. Double X is Nutrilite’s flagship product. It contains 20+ organic plant concentrates as well as being fortified with other essential vitamins and minerals. It’s a true “premium” product. Comparing it with an off the shelf multivitamin is like comparing a Ferrari with a bicycle. They’re both means of transport, but they’re not even close to similar.
The funny thing is, Amway sells a multivitamin bicycle as well. It’s called Nutrilite Daily. A basic multi-vitamin tablet, including organic plant concentrates, to take once a day. Members price is $7.35 for a 3 month supply. At full price it’s $11.30. This is significantly cheaper than whatever brand JoeCool was quoting.
Nutrilite Daily (3 month supply) $7.35
Multi Vitamins (3 month supply) $24.80 (At Costco)
Why would you pick the Nutrilite Double X premium product for a price comparison when there’s a more mainstream “Daily” available that as much closer to the product you’re trying to compare it with? Maybe excuses can be made for the other products. Perhaps JoeCool doesn’t know much about tuna and figures it’s all the same. Maybe he doesn’t care whether it’s cheap soup or good quality soup. Perhaps he thinks organic products are a waste of money, and he didn’t even realise CostCo sold them. Excuses can be made. But JoeCool claims he was an Amway IBO and he built a business up to the 4000PV level. There’s no way he doesn’t know about Nutrilite Daily, one of Amway’s best selling products. Why didn’t he compare Daily with the Costco product, insteading picking one of the most expensive products Amway sells?
The only reason I can think of is because he is deliberately trying to deceive people.
Normally I just ignore his dishonest rantings, but this stuff affects people. I had someone I had never discussed Amway with before quote JoeCool’s blog post as “proof” that Amway’s products are over-priced. Yet that post is full of dishonesty. Frankly, I’m suspicious of the whole basis for it. Does anyone really believe that the most prolific anti-Amway blogger on the internet would just “happen” to have an Amway catalogue fall on his desk?