Steve,

No I do not have a job. I write my own paychecks.

Job Mentality (as defined by me)--To negotiate the highest wage for the least amount of work possible. To always check results (ie.work a few hours and ask immediately "where's my check?" Desires security, although false as it is. Typically knows how to work hard, very hard for money, but doesn't always understand how money works.

I think that is a pretty good definition. Now if you want I can define a business owner mentality as well. Just let me know.

Well since I had some comments about your first definition, I would love to see your definition of business owner mentality.

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Well since I had some comments about your first definition, I would love to see your definition of business owner mentality.

Truth,

Well after reading your comments on your tired website, by the same people that have been there for years, it really doesn't make sense to entertain you any further after this post.

I will however stand by my definition, and say it was not something I heard from stage. Running several businesses myself outside of Q* I think my definition is spot on.

Where your disconnect is, is that you are taking my comments and spinning them. You believe I am coming off as pompous, arrogant, and mean. That is not the intention of the post.

Many of the employees that work for me are some of my best friends. I treat all of them with respect, kindness, and appreciation.

I also said this is MY definition as I have seen it with MY experience. I am not simply recalling stuff I have heard from other people (much like many of your commentors do). It is also meant not to put words in anyone's mouth but my own. The fact you and other have heard it before, or something similar is not surprising, because business is business.

My employees are not ignorant, nor are they losers. It is understood that employees make a business work, but it is also understood that without the business owner taking the initial risk to start there would be no employees. It goes hand in hand.

The one person on your blog Truth, that I have always respected is Rara. However her comments read as though she didn't even read my definition. She says this:

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"I also take issue with the characterization of employees as people who want to make the most money for the least amount of work. I am a proud employee of a great company. When I first started my job, I wasn't very busy as I was still learning the ropes. But I continually asked for more work, yes, asked for more work, because I wanted to learn more, contribute more, and I wanted my company to get their money's worth. I also asked for more challenging work and volunteered to be on committees and to take on projects. If I were the kind of person that TB2IBO describes, I would be satisfied with just doing the easy routine work. I don't know anyone whom I work closely with that fits TB2IBO's description. We are all intelligent hardworking people and we derive fulfillment from what we do."

Please look at the definition. I said they "know how to work hard, very hard for money" That description fits Rara exactly, per her admission above. My one question to Rara would be, if you were doing all that work, putting in extra time, doing more as you say, are you doing it for the simple fulfillment of it, or are you expecting a raise? My guess would be latter, and certainly you wouldn't tolerate it if they demoted you. If you think that, then you are truly living in a fantasy land.

When a person goes in for a job (assuming they are a professional) their goal is to negotiate the highest wage the employer is willing to spend. That is just how business is done. If you don't believe it then you are not nor ever have run a successful business. There is nothing degrading about this statement.

That is the TRUTH!

TB 2 IBO wrote:

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Job Mentality (as defined by me)--To negotiate the highest wage for the least amount of work possible. To always check results (ie.work a few hours and ask immediately "where's my check?") Desires security, although false as it is. Typically knows how to work hard, very hard for money, but doesn't always understand how money works.

That sounds like a labor union mentality and not a job mentality.

Having a job or business and understanding how money works - I don't think there's a difference between a business owner and/or a job holder in that regards. It's pretty well documented that a significant number of millionaires (about a third) are being made by jobs.

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Having a job or business and understanding how money works - I don't think there's a difference between a business owner and/or a job holder in that regards.

I agree with you on this one, Steve.

The biggest difference I see between business owner mentality and employee mentality is generally the level of risk aversion, and specifically the level of assuredness or confidence a person has in their own ability to "succeed" at a level they would be comfortable with.

Even if we assume it takes 10 or 15 years to establish a Diamond lifestyle, as an example, the belief one has that they can persist at the level they need to is in question, yet they feel relatively sure that they can invest 40 years at a job and be reasonably "happy".

The work we do as Quixtar distributors is not real tough.

Identifying a couple of people everyday with a shred of what you would like to see on your team takes very little extra time.

Building that team and attending meetings/functions takes very little extra time.

If such work was GUARANTEED to provide someone a Diamond-like lifestyle, say 100k a year with an average of 40 hours per month actual "work", even if it took 10 years, it doesn't take alot of imagination to believe many more would do the work...IF IT WERE GUARANTEED.

Anyone *could* do what it takes.

Most of us are going to work one way or another.

Jim Dornan likes to point out that it's "not the work"; if we called it a "job", and required the things that we currently only teach and recommend in order to earn the money and keep the "job", everybody would want that kind of job.

And soon, the market would only sustain a $10 an hour wage, and the opportunity for the big money would go away.

I think he's spot-on.

And, by rights, I would have fired me a hundred times based on the "work" I was doing in this Quixtar "job".

Not to mention all the disciplinary action for improper internet usage when I should have been "working"...

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Having a job or business and understanding how money works - I don't think there's a difference between a business owner and/or a job holder in that regards. It's pretty well documented that a significant number of millionaires (about a third) are being made by jobs.

Two comments about the above:
1. I used to hold a top job at probably the best motor company in the world. I learned to think big, and to work with seriously rich people. It didn't make me a business owner.
I swopped careers, and became a software consultant, earning a diamond level income. But I am still in the S-quadrant, swopping time for money.
I am now busy building an Amway business, and believe me, the skills, the kinds of discipline, and the attitude required is completely, completely different. Being a "self-starter" consultant, is a far cry from being a "self-starter" IBO.

And until you have done both, please do not try and knock the one you haven't done succesfully.

2. The fact that a third of millionaires are job-owners, does not make millionaires common place. It is an enormous achievement, whether you do it as an employee, as an IBO, or any of the other legal ways of making money.

I do not have numbers, but I am willing to bet that the ratio of employee-millionaires to employees, is very similar to the ratio of IBO-millionaires to IBO's.

Lie, damn lies and statistics, as the saying goes....