Comments on: Insight and Responsibility

By: Travis

Travis — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:07:49 +0000

Also relavant, If you dont think they help you then dont buy them. But eventually i will get in on the money too, so why not. Plus i think like the first 20 or 30 things were given to me i didnt have to buy them. i would estimate over 200-300 dollars worth.

By: Travis

Travis — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:00:35 +0000

“I wholeheartedly believe that the primary reason IBO leaders recommend BSMs is because they believe it will help the IBOs who use the tools grow their businesses.” this is so true. I didnt buy any for the first year of my business because I was “self motivated” i only sponsored a handfull of people and could barely sell any product. then I started reading and listening to cds and going to functions the best business decision i ever made. Im sponsoring steady and have over $400 in sales each of last 4 months. Im making enough to cover costs and starting to make more. I have never in that first year been told i have to do something. The first time i was asked if i wanted to buy and i said no, he never asked again, but continued to help me. Now im sure hes glad i stuck with helping me.

By: ajgannon

ajgannon — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:56:45 +0000

Also relevant to the BSM discussion, I think, is the fact that the systems help a lot of IBOs/ABOs build successful Amway businesses.

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:46:34 +0000

#1 in that case I misunderstand your position

#2 What “abuse” are you talking about? I’m talking about myriad of claims that Diamonds and above earn by far the majority of their income from BSM profit, and that the lifestyles they portray is a result of that income, not Amway.

By: MichMan

MichMan — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:20:58 +0000

#1 You again misstate my position.

#2 Still trying to figure out why you ignore first hand accounts of tool abuse (go read every blog you have ever commented on) while accepting 2nd and 3rd hand testimony when it supports your positions.

(BTW, aren’t you the one who wants to end every conversation with this argument… “An inside source at N21, tells me that you are wrong and I am right. So discussion over.”)

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:20:56 +0000

still waiting for the first hand accounts.

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:20:36 +0000

We just have to agree to disagree. You think it’s perfectly OK for people to use an Amway seminar to promote their particular political agenda’s (irrelevant to the Amway business).

I, and apparently most other IBOs on Amway Talk, don’t.

By: MichMan

MichMan — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:01:14 +0000

I will give you a chance to redeem yourself and reserve comment for your bsm post.

So far your sniping about the Accredidation Process sounds like a 79 year old Sunday School teacher complaining that indicted Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich should stop using the F-word.

Maybe she is right. A sitting governor probably should not be talking like that.

But granny is not seeing the big picture.

By: ibofightback

ibofightback — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:34:02 +0000

Where are all these “first hand experiences”? Virtually all of the court cases are someone claiming someone else is making all this money on tools. The only “first hand” accounts I know are from Bruce Anderson, Orrin Woodward, and Don whatsisname, all of which had (a) somewhat questionable motives and (b) belonged to the same LOS! Out of the 4000-5000 Diamonds having just three off hand remarks doesn’t exactly consitute evidence of some huge problem. IMO it’s all been hugely exaggerated.

As for arbitration, I’ve commented numerous times I don’t particularly like the process. It’s no more “secretive” than pretty much any other arbitration setup.

By: MichMan

MichMan — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:27:46 +0000

All hearsay? Do you even know the definition of the word?

Here is the definition if you can’t google it yourself:

“any statement other than that by an actual witness”

What I have read are a lot of first hand experiences.

BTW, if you want more “first hand experiences” why don’t you write a post concerning Amway’s secretive arbitration process. The reason there is not more information available is because Amway forces these encounters into secret arbitration procedures instead of in the open court room.