Comments on: Nutrilite Double X Commercial http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/ Get the Facts about Amway Global Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:17:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: IBOSupport http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-7041 IBOSupport Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:20:33 +0000 #comment-7041 I totally agree. If a IBO sign up and don't do anything, you don't get any benefit from that signup. It is not a pyramid and if you want to talk about pyramid, isn't corporate America is a pyramid? Doesn't Accounting clerk does the most work but CFO makes the most money? I know in our team that we have Triple Diamond (making $750,000) that has an upline who is Emerald (making $100,000) that has an upline who just become diamon (making $150,000) who has an upline that has been a double diamond (making $250,000). This gives you the idea that you can go to the next level before your upline which is not possible in pyramid type situation. I totally agree. If a IBO sign up and don’t do anything, you don’t get any benefit from that signup. It is not a pyramid and if you want to talk about pyramid, isn’t corporate America is a pyramid? Doesn’t Accounting clerk does the most work but CFO makes the most money? I know in our team that we have Triple Diamond (making $750,000) that has an upline who is Emerald (making $100,000) that has an upline who just become diamon (making $150,000) who has an upline that has been a double diamond (making $250,000). This gives you the idea that you can go to the next level before your upline which is not possible in pyramid type situation.

]]> By: IBOSupport http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-7040 IBOSupport Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:11:07 +0000 #comment-7040 Great Answer IBOFightBack... I hope you are still in business and doing well. I am new IBO and felt great reading your replies that shows the truth about the business. Great Answer IBOFightBack… I hope you are still in business and doing well. I am new IBO and felt great reading your replies that shows the truth about the business.

]]> By: John http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-7010 John Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:24:03 +0000 #comment-7010 Amway has hundreds of thousands of products nimrod Amway has hundreds of thousands of products nimrod

]]> By: John http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-7009 John Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:23:01 +0000 #comment-7009 Do you even know what a pyramid is>? by commisioner definition it is paid for recruiting others, amway does not do, a legal pyramid is social security, steal from those working for one entity (gov) to spend it all and promise money to people later.. by your def apyramid is any business, ceo at top makes most, then fe admin below that, next level few more supervisors last level all grunt work by non professionals, buy the lies or see the truth mlm is legit if done like amway according to federal court cases in late 70's they r gold standard for mlm all others have fallen short Do you even know what a pyramid is>? by commisioner definition it is paid for recruiting others, amway does not do, a legal pyramid is social security, steal from those working for one entity (gov) to spend it all and promise money to people later.. by your def apyramid is any business, ceo at top makes most, then fe admin below that, next level few more supervisors last level all grunt work by non professionals, buy the lies or see the truth mlm is legit if done like amway according to federal court cases in late 70′s they r gold standard for mlm all others have fallen short

]]> By: Bill http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-6516 Bill Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:24:57 +0000 #comment-6516 ibofightback did a great job in responding, but I'd like to chime in as well to Syn Holliday. Here's your estimate... :) Okay, the average income of an active IBO who does as he is instructed by his upline to: --Contact 10 strangers per day 3-5 days a week as the first step in the process of finding new customers and/or business owners. --Call all of these 10 names and numbers to set up appointments to show the plan, overview, or pitch a product. --Follow up with at least 2 times those that don't set an appt with you. --These actions should culminate in 3-5 appointments per week and 1-2 IBOs per month. It should also yield 100+ PV in volume outside of personal usage. This will yield a bonus. This volume will be a mix of new IBO volume and some retail volume... so some retail profit on top of your bonus. --Counsel weekly with upline --Use your own products where it makes sense to do so, especially the product line you plan to focus your retailing energies so that you are familiar with it. --Attend the weekly Open Meeting to support your team as they bring guests. You would want people to do the same for you. --Listen to tapes daily (borrow them from upline for FREE if needed). --Read at least 15 minutes a day (use the library or borrow from upline for FREE if needed). --As you add more IBOs the money will climb. Unless you can see your sister-in-law's call log on her phone, you can only take her word that she is being consistent with calling enough people to set enough appointments to build a successful Amway business. Unless you can see her planner, you cannot prove that she is going on 3-5 appointments per week. How do you know for a fact she is meeting 10 people a day? That she reads 15 minutes a day? The answer is because I estimate only about 10% of IBOs that reguraly attend an open meeting are corely commited like this and only a small fraction of those stay committed long enough and consistent enough to get any real results from their efforts of building a downline. It takes consistent commitment over a 2-5 year period. Consistent means every week, not some weeks, not most weeks... but EVERY week for a 2-5 year period. Building a business part-time is not easy. It is very easy to treat it like going to the gym, or NOT going if you don't feel like it that day. Most people at the meetings that are upbeat aren't really building it, because building it is hard. It means you can't be afraid of meeting people. It means you can't be scared of "no". ibofightback did a great job in responding, but I’d like to chime in as well to Syn Holliday.

Here’s your estimate… :)

Okay, the average income of an active IBO who does as he is instructed by his upline to:
–Contact 10 strangers per day 3-5 days a week as the first step in the process of finding new customers and/or business owners.
–Call all of these 10 names and numbers to set up appointments to show the plan, overview, or pitch a product.
–Follow up with at least 2 times those that don’t set an appt with you.
–These actions should culminate in 3-5 appointments per week and 1-2 IBOs per month. It should also yield 100+ PV in volume outside of personal usage. This will yield a bonus. This volume will be a mix of new IBO volume and some retail volume… so some retail profit on top of your bonus.
–Counsel weekly with upline
–Use your own products where it makes sense to do so, especially the product line you plan to focus your retailing energies so that you are familiar with it.
–Attend the weekly Open Meeting to support your team as they bring guests. You would want people to do the same for you.
–Listen to tapes daily (borrow them from upline for FREE if needed).
–Read at least 15 minutes a day (use the library or borrow from upline for FREE if needed).
–As you add more IBOs the money will climb.

Unless you can see your sister-in-law’s call log on her phone, you can only take her word that she is being consistent with calling enough people to set enough appointments to build a successful Amway business. Unless you can see her planner, you cannot prove that she is going on 3-5 appointments per week. How do you know for a fact she is meeting 10 people a day? That she reads 15 minutes a day?

The answer is because I estimate only about 10% of IBOs that reguraly attend an open meeting are corely commited like this and only a small fraction of those stay committed long enough and consistent enough to get any real results from their efforts of building a downline.

It takes consistent commitment over a 2-5 year period. Consistent means every week, not some weeks, not most weeks… but EVERY week for a 2-5 year period.

Building a business part-time is not easy. It is very easy to treat it like going to the gym, or NOT going if you don’t feel like it that day.

Most people at the meetings that are upbeat aren’t really building it, because building it is hard. It means you can’t be afraid of meeting people. It means you can’t be scared of “no”.

]]> By: Sam http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-6502 Sam Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:12:36 +0000 #comment-6502 Stop writing. You dont know what you are writing about. Un informed skeptic. Stop writing. You dont know what you are writing about. Un informed skeptic.

]]> By: ibofightback http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-6152 ibofightback Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:25:47 +0000 #comment-6152 Syn, you are asking the impossible and being critical for not getting it. Having said that, income is based on results, and Amway does give you the formula to work out <em>exactly</em> what income you will be for all of the "lower" levels of achievement, and gives averages for many of the higher levels, as well as the percentage of people who reach those levels. Amway IBOs also *encourage* you to come and meet people "prospering from the system" - not just one, but many. Ask you're sister-in-law, I'm sure she'd be more than happy to introduce you to some. The information and possibility is there, don't complain you don't have it if you're rejecting the offer to get it. Syn, you are asking the impossible and being critical for not getting it. Having said that, income is based on results, and Amway does give you the formula to work out exactly what income you will be for all of the “lower” levels of achievement, and gives averages for many of the higher levels, as well as the percentage of people who reach those levels. Amway IBOs also *encourage* you to come and meet people “prospering from the system” – not just one, but many. Ask you’re sister-in-law, I’m sure she’d be more than happy to introduce you to some. The information and possibility is there, don’t complain you don’t have it if you’re rejecting the offer to get it.

]]> By: Syn Holliday http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-6150 Syn Holliday Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:07:26 +0000 #comment-6150 But it would be great to see, even an estimate method that would be favorable to Amway, such as taking the total commissions paid out less total taken in for tools (favorable in that it would not take into account amounts spent on things like gasoline or third-party tools). If, as the rumor about 99% losing money, is true, then even the estimate I mentioned would show a loss. A common criticism seems to be that Amway isn't able to give estimates, on an IBO level, based on actual data. All I hear is "Amway is a so-and-so billion dollar company," but I never hear any kind of average of what a typical motivated individual can make. I've known personally people who have been involved in Amway, some very upbeat motivated people, who have nothing to show for it, and nearly all are no longer involved. If even on a personal level, people can witness friends or family prospering from the system, even one person, it would provide some credibility to the rational-minded people. But from what I witness, it's the type who are gullible to getting drunk on hope who get involved with Amway. As long as there is a good supply of them, those few who sit at the top of Amway will prosper. I suppose that's why people compare it with religion, not that Amway is a religion, but it sells dreams based on hope and faith, without having to provide any kind of reasonable evidence. But it would be great to see, even an estimate method that would be favorable to Amway, such as taking the total commissions paid out less total taken in for tools (favorable in that it would not take into account amounts spent on things like gasoline or third-party tools). If, as the rumor about 99% losing money, is true, then even the estimate I mentioned would show a loss. A common criticism seems to be that Amway isn’t able to give estimates, on an IBO level, based on actual data. All I hear is “Amway is a so-and-so billion dollar company,” but I never hear any kind of average of what a typical motivated individual can make. I’ve known personally people who have been involved in Amway, some very upbeat motivated people, who have nothing to show for it, and nearly all are no longer involved. If even on a personal level, people can witness friends or family prospering from the system, even one person, it would provide some credibility to the rational-minded people. But from what I witness, it’s the type who are gullible to getting drunk on hope who get involved with Amway. As long as there is a good supply of them, those few who sit at the top of Amway will prosper. I suppose that’s why people compare it with religion, not that Amway is a religion, but it sells dreams based on hope and faith, without having to provide any kind of reasonable evidence.

]]> By: ibofightback http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-6140 ibofightback Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:48:18 +0000 #comment-6140 As Bridgett pointed out, how the heck is Amway supposed to know what I'm buying from independent third party companies? And what about other expenses like petrol, babysitters, demo products etc? These things will all differ dramatically from person to person. As Bridgett pointed out, how the heck is Amway supposed to know what I’m buying from independent third party companies? And what about other expenses like petrol, babysitters, demo products etc? These things will all differ dramatically from person to person.

]]> By: Bridgett http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/nutrilite-double-x-commercial/comment-page-1/#comment-6136 Bridgett Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:14:00 +0000 #comment-6136 Actually, there are a fair number of Amway IBOs/Distributors who are "in it for profit" and who do not buy any motivational products or participate in the events. In addition, because these motivational products are sold by third-party companies, separate from the Amway Corporation, Amway would have no way of knowing who is purchasing what. Just like if I buy a book from a local bookstore, which will help me with my Amway Business, like a book on leadership or people skills or self-confidence, Amway has no way to track that. Actually, there are a fair number of Amway IBOs/Distributors who are “in it for profit” and who do not buy any motivational products or participate in the events.
In addition, because these motivational products are sold by third-party companies, separate from the Amway Corporation, Amway would have no way of knowing who is purchasing what.
Just like if I buy a book from a local bookstore, which will help me with my Amway Business, like a book on leadership or people skills or self-confidence, Amway has no way to track that.

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