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		<title>By: Bridgett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridgett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your analogy is all well and good if you are selling someone a mattress (or an energy drink, or some supplements, or a mascara).

Where your analogy is not all well and good is if you are looking to show someone the Amway Business.

Just like if that mattress company were looking to find another seller/promoter of their mattresses, it would seem kind of goofy, if they didn&#039;t mention their name, and the entity that this potential seller/promotor would have a legal contract with, now wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analogy is all well and good if you are selling someone a mattress (or an energy drink, or some supplements, or a mascara).</p>
<p>Where your analogy is not all well and good is if you are looking to show someone the Amway Business.</p>
<p>Just like if that mattress company were looking to find another seller/promoter of their mattresses, it would seem kind of goofy, if they didn&#8217;t mention their name, and the entity that this potential seller/promotor would have a legal contract with, now wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Visitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Visitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled on this blog while doing some other research. After reading a few of the responses I just had to chime in with a few thoughts.

1. Amway is a provider of products they are a wholesaler with a generous comp plan basically
2. IBO are private intities, kinda like mattress dealers

So, when you walk into any traditional business, rarely will any business owner share the source of there inventory.  As a business owner my source is confidential. If a business owner decides to expand operations and need a partner they wouldn&#039;t say the name of the source they would typically say &quot;I am going to open another &quot;Mattress warehouse&quot; location in whereever&quot; despite their source maybe temperpedic or what have you.

So, no as an IBO one doesn&#039;t have to come out and say &quot;Amway&quot; because their particular business may not be indicitve of an Amway sourced business in Cali and its important not to confuse this business with someone else business. 

I hope that makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled on this blog while doing some other research. After reading a few of the responses I just had to chime in with a few thoughts.</p>
<p>1. Amway is a provider of products they are a wholesaler with a generous comp plan basically<br />
2. IBO are private intities, kinda like mattress dealers</p>
<p>So, when you walk into any traditional business, rarely will any business owner share the source of there inventory.  As a business owner my source is confidential. If a business owner decides to expand operations and need a partner they wouldn&#8217;t say the name of the source they would typically say &#8220;I am going to open another &#8220;Mattress warehouse&#8221; location in whereever&#8221; despite their source maybe temperpedic or what have you.</p>
<p>So, no as an IBO one doesn&#8217;t have to come out and say &#8220;Amway&#8221; because their particular business may not be indicitve of an Amway sourced business in Cali and its important not to confuse this business with someone else business. </p>
<p>I hope that makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: finetuner</title>
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		<dc:creator>finetuner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice thread. I am in India and its a mixed bag here ... some people have seen some failures of their friends and avoid Amway and some have no clue so they want to know .... Lately the latter group is increasing as I do prospecting... and my uplines have taught me that when some says &quot;Is this Amway ?&quot; we are supposed to say &quot;YES. THIS is Amway -- don&#039;t know what you have heard but this is it and I am into it - can show you some successful people doing it - so come to this meeting if you want to see them&quot;. Looking back that&#039;s how I was sponsored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice thread. I am in India and its a mixed bag here &#8230; some people have seen some failures of their friends and avoid Amway and some have no clue so they want to know &#8230;. Lately the latter group is increasing as I do prospecting&#8230; and my uplines have taught me that when some says &#8220;Is this Amway ?&#8221; we are supposed to say &#8220;YES. THIS is Amway &#8212; don&#8217;t know what you have heard but this is it and I am into it &#8211; can show you some successful people doing it &#8211; so come to this meeting if you want to see them&#8221;. Looking back that&#8217;s how I was sponsored.</p>
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		<title>By: ibofightback</title>
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		<dc:creator>ibofightback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in the opening sentence, it&#039;s a legitimate complaint! If you want to be in this business for the long-term then (a) you have to be proud of what you do and (b) you have to always consider the long-term effects of what you&#039;re doing on overall reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in the opening sentence, it&#8217;s a legitimate complaint! If you want to be in this business for the long-term then (a) you have to be proud of what you do and (b) you have to always consider the long-term effects of what you&#8217;re doing on overall reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: BGK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BGK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone asks a Jack in the Box franchise owner what he or she does they reply they own a Jack in the Box franchise.  

When you ask an Oracle Siebel CRM salesperson what they do they tell you they sell Oracle Siebel CRM software.  

It’s common business practice and common sense to tell people directly and transparently what you do so you can find those who want/need what you’re selling.

In the world of Amway often that isn’t done.  Posturing under the pretext of wanting to create curiosity is done to avoid having to admit its MLM or Amway.  The simple question of ‘What do you do?’ is danced around – not creating curiosity but triggering a feeling of deception.  That leads to difficult conversations with prospects and high turnover in our industry.

My experience is the argument that you’ll lose prospects by telling them up-front you have a business and products powered by Amway Global doesn’t take into account the more than offsetting number of IBOs that will stay in business because they are no longer stressed about being deceptive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone asks a Jack in the Box franchise owner what he or she does they reply they own a Jack in the Box franchise.  </p>
<p>When you ask an Oracle Siebel CRM salesperson what they do they tell you they sell Oracle Siebel CRM software.  </p>
<p>It’s common business practice and common sense to tell people directly and transparently what you do so you can find those who want/need what you’re selling.</p>
<p>In the world of Amway often that isn’t done.  Posturing under the pretext of wanting to create curiosity is done to avoid having to admit its MLM or Amway.  The simple question of ‘What do you do?’ is danced around – not creating curiosity but triggering a feeling of deception.  That leads to difficult conversations with prospects and high turnover in our industry.</p>
<p>My experience is the argument that you’ll lose prospects by telling them up-front you have a business and products powered by Amway Global doesn’t take into account the more than offsetting number of IBOs that will stay in business because they are no longer stressed about being deceptive.</p>
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		<title>By: ibofightback</title>
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		<dc:creator>ibofightback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume by &quot;just selling products&quot; you mean selling retail (to an end user), not selling wholesale to other IBOs? When you &quot;recruit&quot; someone, you&#039;re effectively recruiting a wholesale customer (someone who purchases for resale). You can of course make money just focussing on retail, and many people do, but like in any business if you want to multiply the time and effort getting put into creating sales you&#039;ll &quot;recruit&quot; other people. And just like any other business, &quot;recruiting&quot; other folk to look for sales cuts down on your margins, since they need to be paid their salary or commissions. 

Retail stores will employ sales staff, even though it cuts down on the per-sale margin. Why? Because it&#039;s hoped the increase in volume will make for greater profit through increased volumes and increased volume discounts from the supplier.

Same thing in Amway. We &quot;recruit&quot; people in the hope the increased sales volume will increase overall profitability. It takes time away that could potentially be spent on higher margin personal retail sales, but down the track it can end up creating sales (and profit) which you&#039;ve put no direct time at all into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume by &#8220;just selling products&#8221; you mean selling retail (to an end user), not selling wholesale to other IBOs? When you &#8220;recruit&#8221; someone, you&#8217;re effectively recruiting a wholesale customer (someone who purchases for resale). You can of course make money just focussing on retail, and many people do, but like in any business if you want to multiply the time and effort getting put into creating sales you&#8217;ll &#8220;recruit&#8221; other people. And just like any other business, &#8220;recruiting&#8221; other folk to look for sales cuts down on your margins, since they need to be paid their salary or commissions. </p>
<p>Retail stores will employ sales staff, even though it cuts down on the per-sale margin. Why? Because it&#8217;s hoped the increase in volume will make for greater profit through increased volumes and increased volume discounts from the supplier.</p>
<p>Same thing in Amway. We &#8220;recruit&#8221; people in the hope the increased sales volume will increase overall profitability. It takes time away that could potentially be spent on higher margin personal retail sales, but down the track it can end up creating sales (and profit) which you&#8217;ve put no direct time at all into.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well now I understand my co workers comment that he &quot;invests in people&quot;.  It seems to me that the truly successful people in Amway don&#039;t sell a whole lot of products themselves but rather &quot;recruit&quot; others to sell for them. Is it even possible to be successful by just selling products and not recruiting other people? My coworker said he is striving for &quot;double ruby&quot; status. Where is that on the spectrum of profitability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well now I understand my co workers comment that he &#8220;invests in people&#8221;.  It seems to me that the truly successful people in Amway don&#8217;t sell a whole lot of products themselves but rather &#8220;recruit&#8221; others to sell for them. Is it even possible to be successful by just selling products and not recruiting other people? My coworker said he is striving for &#8220;double ruby&#8221; status. Where is that on the spectrum of profitability?</p>
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		<title>By: ibofightback</title>
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		<dc:creator>ibofightback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer the last question, many of the skills are learned the same way you learn riding a bicycle - by getting on and falling off a lot. It hurts but doesn&#039;t cost much more than pride. Others are taught free of charge by upline or Amway. Others are taught in books or on CDs or at seminars offered by a variety of authors and 3rd party companies. Not surprisingly, they&#039;ll charge you for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer the last question, many of the skills are learned the same way you learn riding a bicycle &#8211; by getting on and falling off a lot. It hurts but doesn&#8217;t cost much more than pride. Others are taught free of charge by upline or Amway. Others are taught in books or on CDs or at seminars offered by a variety of authors and 3rd party companies. Not surprisingly, they&#8217;ll charge you for it.</p>
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		<title>By: ibofightback</title>
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		<dc:creator>ibofightback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, Platinum is one of the first levels of success. The income varies from country but is usually roughly equivalent to an average full-time income, around $50,000 in the US. That&#039;s not bad for a part-time business.

I&#039;m afraid you misunderstood the 1 in 63 odds - that&#039;s not for people who &quot;do everything right&quot;, far from it! That&#039;s just the odds from sponsoring &lt;i&gt;just one person&lt;/i&gt;. That&#039;s not hard. Heck, I sponsored 5 in my first couple of weeks. A typical requalifying platinum has likely sponsored 20 or more people personally. As I mention further on in the article, doing enough to earn a bonus on that one person (which means you either have more legs or some customers) increases the odds to 1 in 35. That&#039;s still doing very little!

What if you did what was recommended &lt;i&gt;every month&lt;/i&gt; for the 1-2 years it&#039;s suggested it takes to reach platinum? What are the odds then? I saw an informal survey done of participants at a seminar. Almost every person who had done what was recommended for at least the previous 6 months was at &quot;silver producer&quot; or above. Silver Producer means you&#039;ve done one month of the six months necessary to be considered &quot;platinum&quot;. That suggests a success rate approaching 100% (!!) ... &lt;i&gt;if you learn and work hard for a period of months or years, as is recommended&lt;/i&gt;.

The main point is that very, very, very few people do much at all. They join, maybe dabble a little, and then go and do something else - much like the thousands that join the gym and never follow through. 

There&#039;s some income stats for the US, albeit out-dated, on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisbiznow.com rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.thisbiznow.com&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Platinum is one of the first levels of success. The income varies from country but is usually roughly equivalent to an average full-time income, around $50,000 in the US. That&#8217;s not bad for a part-time business.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid you misunderstood the 1 in 63 odds &#8211; that&#8217;s not for people who &#8220;do everything right&#8221;, far from it! That&#8217;s just the odds from sponsoring <i>just one person</i>. That&#8217;s not hard. Heck, I sponsored 5 in my first couple of weeks. A typical requalifying platinum has likely sponsored 20 or more people personally. As I mention further on in the article, doing enough to earn a bonus on that one person (which means you either have more legs or some customers) increases the odds to 1 in 35. That&#8217;s still doing very little!</p>
<p>What if you did what was recommended <i>every month</i> for the 1-2 years it&#8217;s suggested it takes to reach platinum? What are the odds then? I saw an informal survey done of participants at a seminar. Almost every person who had done what was recommended for at least the previous 6 months was at &#8220;silver producer&#8221; or above. Silver Producer means you&#8217;ve done one month of the six months necessary to be considered &#8220;platinum&#8221;. That suggests a success rate approaching 100% (!!) &#8230; <i>if you learn and work hard for a period of months or years, as is recommended</i>.</p>
<p>The main point is that very, very, very few people do much at all. They join, maybe dabble a little, and then go and do something else &#8211; much like the thousands that join the gym and never follow through. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s some income stats for the US, albeit out-dated, on <a href="http://www.thisbiznow.com rel="nofollow">http://www.thisbiznow.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your &quot;Amway Success..&quot; and found it very interesting. Now I don&#039;t know what all the levels mean, so how much income does a &quot;platnium&quot; level IBO bring home. Is platnium the highest level? 1 in 63 odds for becoming platnium don&#039;t sound that great, especially considering that those odds are for people who do everything right and follow the businness plan and training to a tee. As you said it is much lower for people who try to do it &quot;their way&quot;. Do you have a site that lists all the different levels and what that translates to as far as take home pay. It would help me understand a lot and may go a long way to clearing up some of my misconceptions. It appears to me that many skills that are needed are taught along the way...for a price.  Am I wrong about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your &#8220;Amway Success..&#8221; and found it very interesting. Now I don&#8217;t know what all the levels mean, so how much income does a &#8220;platnium&#8221; level IBO bring home. Is platnium the highest level? 1 in 63 odds for becoming platnium don&#8217;t sound that great, especially considering that those odds are for people who do everything right and follow the businness plan and training to a tee. As you said it is much lower for people who try to do it &#8220;their way&#8221;. Do you have a site that lists all the different levels and what that translates to as far as take home pay. It would help me understand a lot and may go a long way to clearing up some of my misconceptions. It appears to me that many skills that are needed are taught along the way&#8230;for a price.  Am I wrong about this?</p>
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