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Just curious, is she an IBO or an employee of Amway?
By the way, I did read the article, I asked the question to see if IBOFB could answer the question without resorting to..well not answering the question.
And incase you ppl are curious – I’m a troll!
The article clearly states that she is an employee.”
You are correct, it did say that, however I was asking if she was or has been an IBO?..
A very simple question?
I was asking the poster of the article this question, and have been upfront as to the reason, which was to create a dialogue.
So if you are saying that asking questions and responding in a civil manner as “Your whole line of comments is ridiculous.” You may not desire to participate in the discussion, if that is your choice.
I don’t think that Amway is the best business around and have concerns on how the business is conducted by some AMO’s, but that does not mean the conversation has to be insults and conclusions based on misquotes and heresay or lashing out. Unless that is how you wish to interact and if that is the case, then it seems that this is all you and I have to say on the matter.
Since I am someone that has opposing views on the matter and am trying to at least conduct myself in a civil manner, and if IBOfightback wises me to leave, then so be it..if any of my comments are “ridiculous”.
“Mike, have you ever been an IBO, and if so, when and for how long? I’m asking because it pertains to how I should respond to your comment ”
That is a fair on-topic question, well not as much directly on-topic, but kinda nearby in the hallway type of close or outside looking the the window. It will be answered nonetheless.
Bridgette states:
“Trolls, the best of them, are subtle. They know how to “push people’s buttons” in a way that, for those not knowing all the “cast of characters” in the Great Amway Debate, would see their comments as innocuous.
So you ask a question: “Is this woman an IBO”, knowing full well that she isn’t, for the sole purpose of “getting a rise” out of IBOFightBack.
That, Mike, is trollish behavior.”
Lots of assumptions based on your personal perception, regardless of that. It was a question that I asked, as such, could reasonably be answered in a few ways.
As with IBO’s question above, depending on the answers I give him, he will respond in some manner. Why that information makes a difference is not my place to question or to assume any hidden agenda. My part is to either answer the question honestly or make a comment other than answering the question.
I did ask the question with the intent to get a response, the purpose of said question. Which was meant to possibly create a discussion about Eve and how she became one of the top 100 women, due to the large business that Amway has basically spread across Asia, yet here in America, Amway is not highly applauded for it’s past performance via the AMO’s..why is that? I don’t know all the numbers, but it seems that most of what I have heard, Amway’s main source of income is from overseas sales.
But as expected, it seems that a simple question turned into a means to assume a lot and bringing in other issues that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Why that information determines how IBOfightback “should” responed to the comment, I have no clear idea,however, I will give him due respect, although I “expect” that he may have his own agenda and use for that information.
Now onto those questions.
Have you ever been an IBO? Yes
When? 1995-1997
How long? 2 years.
Trolls, the best of them, are subtle. They know how to “push people’s buttons” in a way that, for those not knowing all the “cast of characters” in the Great Amway Debate, would see their comments as innocuous.
So you ask a question: “Is this woman an IBO”, knowing full well that she isn’t, for the sole purpose of “getting a rise” out of IBOFightBack.
IBOfightback states
“In your followup post you then clearly admit that you were asking the question not to get an answer, but purely to try to cause problems.”
Let look again. I said, “By the way, I did read the article, I asked the question to see if you could answer the question without resorting to..”
I was asking for information to see if she was in fact an IBO, Which would have been a major point to her being chosen as to the postion she how holds. Had she been an IBO I am sure you would have replied with an emphasis of her pin level, the size of her business, etc..
However you resorted to your typical evasion to a very simple question. So yes I expected to get the response you gave, even with the reponse above.
Even added a few words to create the illlusin that I said more than I did..as you put it “asking the question to not get an answer.” I said I expected your response..the question was valid, and a rather simple one as well.
So we can clearly state that Eve never was or currently is a IBO, but in now employee of the company.
While this is great news for Eve and Amway, it still does not answer loads of other issues concering those involved in the business.
By the way Troll “An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.”
Had I come on here and insulted you and discussed the issues with basketweaving and it’s impact on current prices of oil, yeah I would accept the title of troll.
The article clearly states she was Executive Vice President responsible for Amway Greater China and Amway SouthEast Asia. I know from seeing your comments here and elsewhere that you know that “Executive Vice President” is not an IBO title, so there was no confusion in your mind about what her role with Amway is. In your followup post you then clearly admit that you were asking the question not to get an answer, but purely to try to cause problems.
IBOfightback, the point is, it seems that you spend most of your time in a defensive posture.
Eve very well could have been an IBO, this was not addressed in the article, and it was a simple question, however.
The thing that is so intresting is that regardless of the question, it is approach in a defensive manner.
As far as what you are feeling intolerant of trolls, that is an issue you need to process for yourself, and at least try not to take up the care and feeding of said critters.
I realize in a perfect world everyone should agree, but it don’t happen. You have stated that your purpose is to bring to light any myths or untruths concering Amway. Like a Knight defending the honor of the Crown.
I think you may have had less a problem with me, had you answered the first question without a tone of arrogance, “did you read the article”, and replied with a simple, “I don’t know” or even more to the point either a “yeah or nay”.
Maybe you should check for tarish and see where weilding a sword may not be the best choice, when a simple answer would have sufficed, and would have carried more weight.
Unless you have something to hide, shine a light instead…
The question did not need answering because it was clearly addressed in the article.
Either way the options appear to be that you asked a question that you knew didn’t need asking purely to try to stir up trouble, or you asked a question related to a post which you hadn’t even bothered reading – just as obviously just for stirring up trouble.
I’m feeling a little intolerant of trolls these days, please don’t act like one.
I will admit, Eve has a lot of ground to cover..most impressive to be the one overseeing a large area such as
“… mainland China, Taiwan, Macau SAR, Hong Kong SAR as part of Amway Greater China and Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, and the Philippines within Amway Southeast Asia.”
Still I wonder how much she acutally earns, not “controls”
” According to Forbes, their annual ranking of the most powerful women in the world measures “power” as a composite of public profile – calculated using press mentions – and financial heft. The economic component of the ranking considers job title and past career accomplishments, as well as the amount of money the woman controls. A chief executive “controls” the revenue of her business.”
By the way, I did read the article, I asked the question to see if you could answer the question without resorting to..well not answering the question. Oh well.
Still nothing wrong with her having a job, good for her. and the other 99 most powerful women.
Rocket,
That is a classic example of the trollness of your posts. I don’t believe there is any such thing as “the best business out there”, different things suit different people. You don’t care what I actually think, however, you just pluck something out of the air, claim it as my opinion, and then attack it and me.
Your third sentence shows it again, just utter dishonesty and trollness. I’ve commented many, many, many times on the weaknesses and problems with the business, but you just make something up as my opinion, and then attack it and attack me.
Then you just wrap it all up with a just as inane, troll-like, dishonest final sentence.
Numerous times you have been asked simple and direct questions, far less intrusive than those you demand of others, and you continuously and consistently ignore them. You clearly have no interest in sensible, worthwhile, productive discussion, but merely to poison any discussion others may wish to have.
rocket, you’ve made your opinions well known. Frankly I’m sick of reading them. Unless you have anything worthwhile to actually contribute to the conversation then I’d appreciate it if you spent your time elsewhere.
The repetitiveness and inanity of your posts has well and truly passed into trollness territory.
Asking rocket if he was ever an IBO is a good one as his comments make absolutely no sense. All he is here for is to show his negative/destructive self.
You know, I just got home from seeing The Dark Knight. Your last comment seems somewhat fitting then, since the completely insane guy has a clown’s mask.
Mind you, I’d be laughing too, if I had written inane comments like yours.
I see. People doing business in a straight forward and ethical manner isn’t enough? Competitive pricing isn’t enough?
According to you, those things happen. So why the need for credibility?
Do you honestly think that people who are prospected then research this opportunity will overlook all the negative you try to hide because Eva Cheng is the 88th most powerful woman according to Forbes?
You are one hopeful little Amway man. By anyone’s standards, that’s a reach. So she’s the Executive Vice President, it doesn’t even say what level in Amway she got to!
Again, taking credibility from someone else and not using the so called great products and services you have to offer at a fair price.
What a good post. I am also a Amway distributor in Malaysia and singapore. After reading most of your post, i find it very useful because of your facts and figures provided.
So, i really would like to translate all your post and your materials into chinese because most of my business partners are Chinese. So i would like to know how could it possible? Is it ok for me to create a website to translate all your post and materials into Chinese? I think this is going to help thousands and thousands of distributor out there also. Ofcourse i will add something that is related to Amway Malaysia and Amway singapore.
Hope to hear from you soon. THank you and all the best in your Amway business. 🙂
What kind of person would continue for years to post negative comments on issues in a business he failed in years ago? Amazing.
Just curious, is she an IBO or an employee of Amway?
By the way, I did read the article, I asked the question to see if IBOFB could answer the question without resorting to..well not answering the question.
And incase you ppl are curious – I’m a troll!
Has she ever been an IBO? Just curious.
Just curious, is she an IBO or an employee of Amway?
You are correct, it did say that, however I was asking if she was or has been an IBO?..
Bridgett, I have a different word for that besides tenacity.
Wow Mike,
For the record, you original question was:
“Just curious, is she an IBO or an employee of Amway?”
You sure do have, um, tenacity.
🙂
Visioneer states
“Mike,
The article clearly states that she is an employee.”
You are correct, it did say that, however I was asking if she was or has been an IBO?..
A very simple question?
I was asking the poster of the article this question, and have been upfront as to the reason, which was to create a dialogue.
So if you are saying that asking questions and responding in a civil manner as “Your whole line of comments is ridiculous.” You may not desire to participate in the discussion, if that is your choice.
I don’t think that Amway is the best business around and have concerns on how the business is conducted by some AMO’s, but that does not mean the conversation has to be insults and conclusions based on misquotes and heresay or lashing out. Unless that is how you wish to interact and if that is the case, then it seems that this is all you and I have to say on the matter.
Since I am someone that has opposing views on the matter and am trying to at least conduct myself in a civil manner, and if IBOfightback wises me to leave, then so be it..if any of my comments are “ridiculous”.
Mike,
The article clearly states that she is an employee. Your whole line of comments is ridiculous.
IBO asks
“Mike, have you ever been an IBO, and if so, when and for how long? I’m asking because it pertains to how I should respond to your comment ”
That is a fair on-topic question, well not as much directly on-topic, but kinda nearby in the hallway type of close or outside looking the the window. It will be answered nonetheless.
Bridgette states:
“Trolls, the best of them, are subtle. They know how to “push people’s buttons” in a way that, for those not knowing all the “cast of characters” in the Great Amway Debate, would see their comments as innocuous.
So you ask a question: “Is this woman an IBO”, knowing full well that she isn’t, for the sole purpose of “getting a rise” out of IBOFightBack.
That, Mike, is trollish behavior.”
Lots of assumptions based on your personal perception, regardless of that. It was a question that I asked, as such, could reasonably be answered in a few ways.
As with IBO’s question above, depending on the answers I give him, he will respond in some manner. Why that information makes a difference is not my place to question or to assume any hidden agenda. My part is to either answer the question honestly or make a comment other than answering the question.
I did ask the question with the intent to get a response, the purpose of said question. Which was meant to possibly create a discussion about Eve and how she became one of the top 100 women, due to the large business that Amway has basically spread across Asia, yet here in America, Amway is not highly applauded for it’s past performance via the AMO’s..why is that? I don’t know all the numbers, but it seems that most of what I have heard, Amway’s main source of income is from overseas sales.
But as expected, it seems that a simple question turned into a means to assume a lot and bringing in other issues that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Why that information determines how IBOfightback “should” responed to the comment, I have no clear idea,however, I will give him due respect, although I “expect” that he may have his own agenda and use for that information.
Now onto those questions.
Have you ever been an IBO? Yes
When? 1995-1997
How long? 2 years.
Mike,
Trolls, the best of them, are subtle. They know how to “push people’s buttons” in a way that, for those not knowing all the “cast of characters” in the Great Amway Debate, would see their comments as innocuous.
So you ask a question: “Is this woman an IBO”, knowing full well that she isn’t, for the sole purpose of “getting a rise” out of IBOFightBack.
That, Mike, is trollish behavior.
🙂
Mike, have you ever been an IBO, and if so, when and for how long?
I’m asking because it pertains to how I should respond to your comment.
IBOfightback states
“In your followup post you then clearly admit that you were asking the question not to get an answer, but purely to try to cause problems.”
Let look again. I said, “By the way, I did read the article, I asked the question to see if you could answer the question without resorting to..”
I was asking for information to see if she was in fact an IBO, Which would have been a major point to her being chosen as to the postion she how holds. Had she been an IBO I am sure you would have replied with an emphasis of her pin level, the size of her business, etc..
However you resorted to your typical evasion to a very simple question. So yes I expected to get the response you gave, even with the reponse above.
Even added a few words to create the illlusin that I said more than I did..as you put it “asking the question to not get an answer.” I said I expected your response..the question was valid, and a rather simple one as well.
So we can clearly state that Eve never was or currently is a IBO, but in now employee of the company.
While this is great news for Eve and Amway, it still does not answer loads of other issues concering those involved in the business.
By the way Troll “An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.”
Had I come on here and insulted you and discussed the issues with basketweaving and it’s impact on current prices of oil, yeah I would accept the title of troll.
I think my question was on topic and polite.
The article clearly states she was Executive Vice President responsible for Amway Greater China and Amway SouthEast Asia. I know from seeing your comments here and elsewhere that you know that “Executive Vice President” is not an IBO title, so there was no confusion in your mind about what her role with Amway is. In your followup post you then clearly admit that you were asking the question not to get an answer, but purely to try to cause problems.
That’s trolling.
IBOfightback, the point is, it seems that you spend most of your time in a defensive posture.
Eve very well could have been an IBO, this was not addressed in the article, and it was a simple question, however.
The thing that is so intresting is that regardless of the question, it is approach in a defensive manner.
As far as what you are feeling intolerant of trolls, that is an issue you need to process for yourself, and at least try not to take up the care and feeding of said critters.
I realize in a perfect world everyone should agree, but it don’t happen. You have stated that your purpose is to bring to light any myths or untruths concering Amway. Like a Knight defending the honor of the Crown.
I think you may have had less a problem with me, had you answered the first question without a tone of arrogance, “did you read the article”, and replied with a simple, “I don’t know” or even more to the point either a “yeah or nay”.
Maybe you should check for tarish and see where weilding a sword may not be the best choice, when a simple answer would have sufficed, and would have carried more weight.
Unless you have something to hide, shine a light instead…
IBOFB,
Thanks for providing a link to what an Internet troll is. I have to admit that I only was aware of part of the definition.
But this part, “with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response”
is exactly with rocket is attempting to do, as you said this to him,
“You don’t care what I actually think, however, you just pluck something out of the air, claim it as my opinion, and then attack it and me.”
I have been a “victim” of his trolliness. I’ve attempted to clarify and defend myself when he’s, essentially, put words in my mouth.
Now I know that he’s not dense or misunderstands or has ADD. It’s that he purposely misrepresents me in order to “get a rise out of me”.
LOL.
Wow. What a life, huh?
Thanks again. It sure clears up a lot of why critics type what they type. And it sure will save me a ton of time by not addressing their nonsense.
The question did not need answering because it was clearly addressed in the article.
Either way the options appear to be that you asked a question that you knew didn’t need asking purely to try to stir up trouble, or you asked a question related to a post which you hadn’t even bothered reading – just as obviously just for stirring up trouble.
I’m feeling a little intolerant of trolls these days, please don’t act like one.
I will admit, Eve has a lot of ground to cover..most impressive to be the one overseeing a large area such as
“… mainland China, Taiwan, Macau SAR, Hong Kong SAR as part of Amway Greater China and Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, and the Philippines within Amway Southeast Asia.”
Still I wonder how much she acutally earns, not “controls”
” According to Forbes, their annual ranking of the most powerful women in the world measures “power” as a composite of public profile – calculated using press mentions – and financial heft. The economic component of the ranking considers job title and past career accomplishments, as well as the amount of money the woman controls. A chief executive “controls” the revenue of her business.”
By the way, I did read the article, I asked the question to see if you could answer the question without resorting to..well not answering the question. Oh well.
Still nothing wrong with her having a job, good for her. and the other 99 most powerful women.
Rocket,
That is a classic example of the trollness of your posts. I don’t believe there is any such thing as “the best business out there”, different things suit different people. You don’t care what I actually think, however, you just pluck something out of the air, claim it as my opinion, and then attack it and me.
Your third sentence shows it again, just utter dishonesty and trollness. I’ve commented many, many, many times on the weaknesses and problems with the business, but you just make something up as my opinion, and then attack it and attack me.
Then you just wrap it all up with a just as inane, troll-like, dishonest final sentence.
Numerous times you have been asked simple and direct questions, far less intrusive than those you demand of others, and you continuously and consistently ignore them. You clearly have no interest in sensible, worthwhile, productive discussion, but merely to poison any discussion others may wish to have.
As such you are no longer welcome on this site.
Wow,rocket proves my earlier point about himself! He even resorts to name calling!
I guess he has nothing worthwhile to say so he has to resort to insults.
I’m sorry you feel that way.
I’m sure you’re right, and Amway is the absolute best business out there that has helped millions of people.
There’s no way there could be anything at all wrong with it.
In fact, anyone who thinks there is something wrong is obviously poorly educated and ignorant of the facts.
rocket, you’ve made your opinions well known. Frankly I’m sick of reading them. Unless you have anything worthwhile to actually contribute to the conversation then I’d appreciate it if you spent your time elsewhere.
The repetitiveness and inanity of your posts has well and truly passed into trollness territory.
Just because a company isn’t a scam, or illegal pyramid, it doesn’t necessarily make them ethical.
Enron was an extremely large, successful and well regarded company. Ethical? No, not really.
You are trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Nobody’s buying your argument or your products.
Except the dummies already in.
ibofightback,
Asking rocket if he was ever an IBO is a good one as his comments make absolutely no sense. All he is here for is to show his negative/destructive self.
Companies that are scams, illegal pyramids etc etc etc do not have Executive Vice Presidents named in such lists.
Being able to show Amway is an extremely large, successful and well regarded makes it much easier to promote the Amway business opportunity.
Something is becoming clearer and clearer to me rocket – have you ever been an IBO or Amway distributor?
OK then disregard the part about setting the world on fire and respond to this:
My point was, she’s not even an ABO! So what does that say about anything?
It doesn’t add anything to the front level ABO! Lots of companies have EVP’s!
So what!
and a prize for the first person who can find where I said anything about setting “the world on fire” ….
I’m starting to worry that you’re dangerously obsessed with everything I write ….
Well, forgive me IBOFB, but I actually read and compute information, and don’t just look for some way to justify my farce of a business.
My point was, she’s not even an ABO! So what does that say about anything?
It doesn’t add anything to the front level ABO! Lots of companies have EVP’s!
So what!
Yet you seem to think the article about some EVP in China is going to set the world on fire.
Yeah……
Just curious – why didn’t you read the article?
Just curious, is she an IBO or an employee of Amway?
No, I think your sitting their laughing manically. Like a clown (albeit an insane one).
Is it some kind of absurd power kick you get, coming on to this site sprouting inanities?
How more inane can you get than complaining a news article doesn’t mention what “level” and Amway Executive reached?
Dear oh dear. I’d be laughing, but you’re not funny. You’re very very sad.
I called you the clown. Try reading comprehension.
Or is that all you had to rebut with and just tried to slip it through as something coherent?
I understand. Gotta say something when you are getting spanked with the truth.
You know, I just got home from seeing The Dark Knight. Your last comment seems somewhat fitting then, since the completely insane guy has a clown’s mask.
Mind you, I’d be laughing too, if I had written inane comments like yours.
I see. People doing business in a straight forward and ethical manner isn’t enough? Competitive pricing isn’t enough?
According to you, those things happen. So why the need for credibility?
Do you honestly think that people who are prospected then research this opportunity will overlook all the negative you try to hide because Eva Cheng is the 88th most powerful woman according to Forbes?
You are one hopeful little Amway man. By anyone’s standards, that’s a reach. So she’s the Executive Vice President, it doesn’t even say what level in Amway she got to!
Again, taking credibility from someone else and not using the so called great products and services you have to offer at a fair price.
You make me laugh. Like a clown.
Credibility
Just curious. How does this affect the front line ABO’s bottom line?
What a good post. I am also a Amway distributor in Malaysia and singapore. After reading most of your post, i find it very useful because of your facts and figures provided.
So, i really would like to translate all your post and your materials into chinese because most of my business partners are Chinese. So i would like to know how could it possible? Is it ok for me to create a website to translate all your post and materials into Chinese? I think this is going to help thousands and thousands of distributor out there also. Ofcourse i will add something that is related to Amway Malaysia and Amway singapore.
Hope to hear from you soon. THank you and all the best in your Amway business. 🙂
Sorry to repost this, just to let you know my email address is desperatetosuccess@gmail.com
Great news for Amway Global and women everywhere!